Billy the Ex-Bethelite

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  Sydney Morning Herald Headline about Compensation for Victims May Cause JW Organization to Gasp

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  geoffrey jackson's unfailingly diplomatic responses during friday's royal commission hearings have undoubtedly limited damage to the reputation of the jw organization - but i could never again imagine the watchtower and awake!

  magazines criticizing other religions over their responses to child sexual abuse within their parishes.

  too close for comfort.

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  Jackson suggested the possibility that the GB might consider redress if the scriptures allow such a thing. And he's pretending to be some kind of bible and linguistic scholar?

  It's pretty obvious in Jesus parable of the good Samaritan that the right thing to do was to rescue the victim and provide financial support paid to the innkeeper for the care of the victim. I'm confident that WT will instead walk around the victim on the other side of the road and continue on their way telling themselves, "I'm a priest on my way to the temple. Taking care of such victims is the responsibility of someone else like the local innkeeper. I haven't seen any law explicitly requiring me to help someone that has been beaten and robbed."
  
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  Contradicting Governing Body Members

  by Illuminated in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  so we've heard from three different governing body members this year regarding child sexual abuse.. the latest one on the rc admitted there's a sexual abuse problem within the cult, yet lett and morris swept the dirt under the carpet stating they have a great reputation as far as sex abuse is concerned, and pointed their fingers at "apostate lies".

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  i'm left totally confused at the contradiction of this "organization"..

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  Angus: "Mr. Jackson, wouldn't you say that elders are receiving contradicting instructions between what is stated in their manual and the testimony given to this commission."

  Geoff: "Not at all. I would say that any contradictions are because the government needs to write explicit laws telling the JW elders to call the police. The law needs to list every name of every elder that is obligated to call and list every possible action of an offender that would be considered "abuse". Otherwise, it's in the bible that elders cannot protect children from abuse unless two people have seen the abuse occur. So any confusion is YOUR fault."
  
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  New video "Jehovah Has Done So Much for Me"

  by NoIdeaWhatToBelieve in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hey all,.

  have you seen the new video on http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/activities/living-bible-principles/adult-survivor-child-abuse-video/ ?.

  isn't this too much of a coincidence?

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  It seems to be a slap in the face to all the thousands of victims of child sexual abuse inside Watchtower.
  
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  GEOFFREY JACKSON THE PERSONABLE FACE OF JW.ORG...BUT IT AIN'T OVER YET BUDDY

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  since geoffrey jackson's appearance before the australian royal commission on friday there has for some been an expressed feeling of anticlimax.

  it is as though he was given too much latitude to preach, to claim ignorance and to skirt questions.

  more to the point, as much as i myself thought i would never have expected to say this, gj actually came across as likeable and - don't throttle me please!

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  The Bible itself is just a book of stories. It was the people behind the compilation that had the agenda.

  And now we have the people behind the interpretation of the compiled book of Jewish stories that has an agenda. And their primary agenda is that the womenfolk shouldn't be jumping up and arguing with the men. Instead, women should be in the kitchen quietly making sandwiches for the menfolk.
  
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  GEOFFREY JACKSON THE PERSONABLE FACE OF JW.ORG...BUT IT AIN'T OVER YET BUDDY

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  since geoffrey jackson's appearance before the australian royal commission on friday there has for some been an expressed feeling of anticlimax.

  it is as though he was given too much latitude to preach, to claim ignorance and to skirt questions.

  more to the point, as much as i myself thought i would never have expected to say this, gj actually came across as likeable and - don't throttle me please!

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  It's interesting that, as noted in other threads, JWs have watched this and thought GJ "gave a great witness". In my opinion, GJ did well enough that at least the sheeples are willing to watch it and not dismiss it as "apostate propaganda". I'm also of the opinion that GJ presented enough statements as a GB member to muddy the waters on some WT teachings and practices where he presented half-truths.

  Last but not least, he clearly stated that this is a serious problem in WT that needs governmental laws to force them to do the right thing.
  
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  Discussing the RC with a friend and my JW wife was listening.

  by Driving Force in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i am fuming at the moment and my wife has made me so angry.. i live in germany and an ex jw, a friend of mine is also ex jw but does not understand english so i was giving him a rundown on the friday session of the rc with gj.

  my wife was in another part of the house but heard my phone ring and so she came to listen, i did not realize this, because when the phone rang i closed two doors between myself and my wife.

  she opened the first door and started listening to the conversation.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  I think your experience here is worth documenting and sending to the RC. I appreciate that McClellan would think that adding women to the judicial process might make it more just and effective. However, this example shows how women in the organization can be just as fanatical about oppressing others to silence anything that might put the JWs in a negative light.

  Have you recorded any of these exchanges with your wife? I think it would be most interesting if you would be able to completely document this situation where you come under fire from the congregation and are divorced from your wife because you think that children need to be protected from sexual abuse, but they do not.
  
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  GB member Geoffrey Jackson is lying!

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  okay, i know the royal commission hasn't started yet.

  but i'm confident enough that he will be telling some whoppers.

  so i thought i'd be the first to get a thread started for something that will begin... very soon now!.

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  I wonder if Angus will point out that WT has disfellowshipped people like Barbara for pointing out the flaws of WT policy.

  Turn. Now Angus has pointed out that WT calls the need for correction to be apostate lies.

  Jacko is trying to talk his way out of a corner.

  Edit to add: Strangely, this post just suddenly appeared on this thread, although I had written it last night during the live broadcast. But it never appeared on the thread last night. Now it's reappeared like magic. Must be the work of demunz!
  
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  GeeJay at the RC: highlights, paraphrases and translations.

  by sparrowdown in

  1. social
  2. humour

  q: is there anyone that has the permanent role of coordinator or chairman?.

  geejay: no, we rotate yearly...... (translaton) we are all sparticus.. geejay: we are a faith driven org, we are not a group of lawyers, being overly concerned with legal matters..... fave quotes .

  on establishing headship principle 1cor 14: 33-35, 1 cor 11:3. geejay:...... that's talking about women not excitedly jumping up arguing with others..... geejay: ......our literature has said it, and we agree!.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  GJ believes that a very good question deserves a thoroughly unsatisfying answer.
  
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  GeeJay at the RC: highlights, paraphrases and translations.

  by sparrowdown in

  1. social
  2. humour

  q: is there anyone that has the permanent role of coordinator or chairman?.

  geejay: no, we rotate yearly...... (translaton) we are all sparticus.. geejay: we are a faith driven org, we are not a group of lawyers, being overly concerned with legal matters..... fave quotes .

  on establishing headship principle 1cor 14: 33-35, 1 cor 11:3. geejay:...... that's talking about women not excitedly jumping up arguing with others..... geejay: ......our literature has said it, and we agree!.

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  Heaven, of course women can't be elders. They are incapable of the required adult behavior that comes naturally to all men. Weren't you listening while he explained how women are always excitedly jumping up and arguing during meetings?
  
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  GeeJay at the RC: highlights, paraphrases and translations.

  by sparrowdown in

  1. social
  2. humour

  q: is there anyone that has the permanent role of coordinator or chairman?.

  geejay: no, we rotate yearly...... (translaton) we are all sparticus.. geejay: we are a faith driven org, we are not a group of lawyers, being overly concerned with legal matters..... fave quotes .

  on establishing headship principle 1cor 14: 33-35, 1 cor 11:3. geejay:...... that's talking about women not excitedly jumping up arguing with others..... geejay: ......our literature has said it, and we agree!.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  "That's not my area of expertise."

  Although he said it several times, I think it was surprising when he said it after being asked a question about something in the elduhs manual. I think there was a question, "What is the difference between 'child' and 'youth' here?"

  • If this "translator" doesn't have a handle on English words, what is his job?
  • And this manual is supposed to be used and understood by every elder, isn't GJ an elder?
  • Who IS the expert that all the elders are supposed to call in order to understand the phrases in their manual?